THEY'RE TOO YOUNG FOR HIM?
THE SYSTEM says you need to pay attention to age gaps. While he's having fun with 20-somethings chasing him at age 43 he is setting himself up for failure.
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READER'S QUESTION
Hey Doc,
I’ve got a problem and you’re the one to blame!
I discovered your work after a terrible breakup, like 90% of your students. When I found you, I found the truth. I became obsessed with “The System.” I’ve read your book more than 15 times, tested myself with Mastery, and I got to a point where I have listened to all your past shows not once, but twice and sometimes more. I’ve read all the archives. I read and listen to “The System” every day. I’ve been testing your material on the street, and I have to say that your principles are spot on. I’ve absorbed “The System” emotionally, to the point where when I listen to your radio show or read the letters from your students, I know what your response will be 95% of the time. I say 95% because I’m still learning. I have no idea how you were able to unveil the truth, but I can only say that you are the messenger and I’m really glad that I found your work.
Since I started using your principles, I’ve valued every chance I had to get dates. I only looked at the girl’s Interest Level and took every date as a learning experience. I’m blessed with good genetics and I’ve always taken care of myself. Besides that, I’m in a successful band. Even though I look much younger (still have all my hair, no gray hair, I’m fit, few wrinkles on my face), I’m 43 years young (by the way, when they ask my age, I use your line: “I’m 74,” and I always get points for that).
My problem is peculiar. Ninety percent of the dates I get are with girls in their twenties. Not only that, but we’re talking about 9s and 10s in the looks department. I know most men will laugh and say that this is a problem every man wants, but I know the long-term odds are not in my favor. Adding to the problem, the women in their thirties that I go out with have Scars and Baggage (bad experiences with men, divorces, kids, etc.), and others are desperate to have children.
I’m still searching and getting lots of coffee dates. From all the women that I’ve dated in the process, there are two “System” girls with high Interest Level (90%), no Red Flags yet, great Attitude, sweet, and very intelligent. But both are 25 and both are knockouts. I’m getting to the seventh date with each of them, and I see it’s heading to the point where they will each ask me to be the boyfriend soon.
Doc, they say there is no fool like an old fool. Should I dump these babes and try to find a woman nearer my age, or should I keep going out with these young girls and watch them like hawk?
Eugene - who’s having the best year of his life
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Hi Eugene,
What you have done is what ALL students should do. They should read my book at least 15 times, join the Doc Love Club, read and listen to the archives and they should test themselves with Mastery. Dude, you did everything right! And that’s why you’re getting 95% of my answers correct – and you’re a success with women and in life.
And it’s perfect that you’re using my line about being 74 years young. That’s what you’re supposed to do – go with the flow and defuse with HUMOR. Again, you’re doing everything right, my friend.
WHAT??? YOU didn't sign up for my free 7-day dating course yet? Did you not understand the word FREE?
All of that said, you really have to have someone older, Eugene. The girls that you’re getting involved with are simply...
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Finding someone 33-43 years with no kids. Yeah, good luck with that. Why don’t you tell your student to just don’t bother dating Doc. Seriously. And what if the girl is into older guys then? Or just tell all your students to just give up on women and relationships altogether and just commit suicide.
I just did a search on Match for 100 miles around just San Diego for women 33-43 with no kids and there were nearly 1800 women. That’s just one metro area. Multiply that by the US and that’s a LOT of women and it’s not like he can’t find what he’s looking for in that pool (he’s not from San Diego but his metro area will be similar) – remember were only looking for ONE good woman. I like his odds of finding one woman that doesn’t have kids, doesn’t want kids and is right for him. I think he should not give up, stay alive and keep on trying – and I would repeat that advice to every single student I have!
” I’m getting to the seventh date with each of them, and I see it’s heading to the point where they will each ask me to be the boyfriend soon. Doc, they say there is no fool like an old fool. Should I dump these babes and try to find a woman nearer my age….”
Sorry to say it but I cringed at that part. Seven dates with two women and he doesn’t seem to care about either of them. He sounds like a sociopath. If he actually finds Miss Right can he even care enough to commit to her (and her child)?
I did not read that he didn’t care about either of them – he is just following https://www.doclove.com/system that says you count NOTHING with women until they make it to 10-12 dates with no red flags and they ask to be the girlfriend. He is not a sociopath – he is just being smart – too many guys give up too much too soon. For the first 10-12 dates your job as a guy is to take women out, show respect and make sure you both have fun and then OBSERVE if she really likes you or not. OBSERVE if she has integrity and is a giver. OBSERVE if she has a flexible personality. YOU OBSERVE before YOU COMMIT. Women that are not right for you cannot hold up to the 10-12 dates – there are signs somewhere along the way that they’re not the one so this is a way for a guy to protect himself. When you do find that good one that is Ms. Right then you commit and give your lady respect, affection and romance after 10-12 dates but you’re still careful. Guys are willing to commit WAY TOO EARLY before they really know the girl and what she’s about.
Not related to the letter, but I found an interesting tidbit on Challenge and respect in relationships, in a talk from Dr. Jordan Peterson (Psychiatrist).
Basically, he looks at the positive/negative interactions in an optimal relationship – i.e longevity. If the number of daily positive interactions are less than 5 positive to 1 negative, the relationship fails because its too negative. It also fails if the positive to negative ratio is higher than 11 to 1. Because in that case there is no challenge, no pushback and no respect. You only respect someone when you get into disagreements with them occasionally.
Here’s the tidbit: https://youtu.be/yXZSeiAl4PI?t=43m7s
Thank YOU as always for the support!
Doc. I’ve been a fan of your System (and an owner) since you were on Men’s Health back in 1999 or thereabouts. I still have your hard copy System and the interview CD’s!! (Yeah, that long ago!)
I came out of a horribly bad relationship last year with a 29 year old gal last year. The difference between us was less than 10 years. She never cared about the “age difference” until she saw my license and her vicious serial divorcee mom came into the picture (family history was terrible, but I avoided meeting them early as suggested by the System.) Here’s the thing. Her friends liked me when we finally met, and I won them over pretty quick, being the charming devil I am (girl’s words, not mine.)
I bring almost no baggage other than I’m a big of a stickler for discipline and a clean home and car. She had to clean up her house and did, without my ever asking!! I behaved in a gentlemanly fashion until she claimed one day that she would never be a lady. I didn’t open her door for her. She NOTICED, and asked me why I did that. I simply ignored her and changed the subject. I remember thinking I should have said “only a LADY gets a GENTLEMAN” in a snarky and semi humorous fashion. I was annoyed and I’m 100% sure she noticed. For one as sloppy and undisciplined as she was, she did clean the house and occasionally try to prepare something cool (videogames, she was averse to cooking except a few times while her dating mask was still on.) She did laundry/clean house each time I went over. I liked the fresh smells, to be honest.
We made it almost to the 9 month mark before her Red Flags became too much for me to bear and her inner conflict between her Feminista and Feminine sides became impossible to rationalize (yep, I have the System, I know most of it well (can always know it better) and even got my brother into it.) She also put on weight.
She was also lazy with her own school work, and slow to get out of bed, and bad with her personal hygiene when I wasn’t in the picture (surprised her for daytime coffee dates twice during our 9 months, and each time she was eager to see me, but once she had not showered or done a bad job, and the other time she had a food stain on her shirt from her breakfast. Red flags. She showered and tried to be clean for me otherwise, which raised my interest level. My body my temple. Her body should be hers.
Here’s my problem. (I’m just over 30.) And every gal I’ve dated in recent years anywhere between 20 to 40 has a sexual history to make porn stars envious. I’m not bothered by this part since I am good in bed (received nothing but praise and eagerness.) I am bothered by the fact that such a lengthy emotional history comes with baggage and STD tests no longer come with the IGG panel (herpes tests.) As you said in the System, taking on a woman with a long relationship history means I’ll be fighting the demons left behind by every man who ever abused her, wronged her or dumped her (rightly or not doesn’t matter, the damage is there.)
I have to agree with your poster. 20 – 22 may be too young, but almost all the ones I’ve met except one fellow student of 20 are guaranteed to make me miserable. (I’m back in school a second time.) Almost to a one, they are BADLY damaged, out of shape, or both. I take care of myself. Other than this last gal, I’ve avoided emotional damage religiously, any time a girl started showing bad signs, I’d give her chances proportional to our time together, and then politely leave her. Why should I not expect the same? The market is pretty bad around here, and frankly I’m not a fan of unwittingly recruiting another College Feminista and trying to fix her through Challenge. In business I wouldn’t buy an overpriced fixer upper for the price of a brand new beach side estate, so why should I do this with women? This last one barely started making progress before giving me a red flag I could not consider fixable (crappy family with major mental issues, medication required, instability guaranteed.) And she was the best I found around here. The rest I cut loose after 1 to 3 dates without any regrets, except maybe annoyed that I could get better coffee at home or at my office.
Getting tired of simply not finding anything worth keeping Doc! Besides moving, which is financially impossible at this time, any ideas?
K
Well, I would love to talk to you – call the show sometime at http://www.datingwomenradioshow.com (or if you prefer more privacy order phone coaching at https://www.doclove.com/phone_coaching)
I will tell you this – I like how your radar is up and that will serve you well. However, be careful not to have the radar setting too high – it’s easy to look for things to find wrong with these girls instead of just going out and having some fun and seeing how they are. Remember there are NO CLEAN DEALS – again, it would be great if you would call the show or order phone coaching.
I disagree with your opinion here Doc on age.
Wasn’t it Aristotle who said the ideal age for marriage is 18 for a woman and 35 for a man.
Guys should be dating young fertile women, not old women – who wants to marry an old shrew. There’s a reason that the dating game is so hard on younger guys, it’s because no one wants these girls after the mid 30s when they are useless in terms of fertility, so the competition is high and the girls are picky. Women prefer older men, so most guys couldn’t enjoy this aspect in their early twenties, the game only heats up in the later 20s early 30s. No one wants to take on an old haggard mid/late thirties girl, who has a high sexual mileage that rivals yours and all her exes and kids. You tell this guy about potentially adopting a girl’s kids, that is what’s called cuckoldry in the animal kingdom, being duped into taking on the parental investment of a more successful male – this is what some of the feminist agenda wants….have sex with Alpha men in 20s and get Beta men to bring up the kids in your 30s (see the famous Sheryl Sandberg speech about dating), its a disgrace.
I agree with you about early 20s girls (they are still learning about life). But guys like your questioner should go for mid twenties to early thirties women 25-31. Many are looking to get married and like older men (despite what they might say, I see this again and again). I actually know of a guy ok looking (40 yo) who just got engaged to a 25 year old knockout. There’s no reason to presume it will fail. In any case most marriages fail in the society we live in due to the corrupt society we live in. My parents have a 14 year age gap and they’ve had a successful marriage and my mother was happy with her choice, as was my father. Most people don’t have a large age gap, as most people get married young. I know plenty of other people who have a large age gap and are happy. I even know of an extreme case of a 30+ year age gap, with the guy being much much older and he’s had kids too at a late age in life and they’re a happy family.
Guys in their 40s should date mid/late 20s to early 30s. Don’t go for these mid 30s girls. They wouldn’t have you when they were younger, and will use you to have a kid and then divorce you. Get a young fresh girl, who hasn’t got such a high sexual mileage. Unfortunately in the generation we’re living in, with social media, many of the girls have a higher sexual mileage than the guys, as they have sex only with the most attractive men in their 20s. This was recently proven with statistical surveys which showed women are having much much more sex in 20s than the men and it’s with a small group of men by the way (this then bites them in the butt when they hit 30 as their marketability falls through the floor).
ps I’m 31 and I exclusively date girls in early/mid twenties. My cut off is 26/27. I’ve been more successful dating early 20s girls since I became older at 29-31
Seriously? Your whole premise is that women 35+ are not fit for dating? I cannot side with any argument that puts a blanket statement, especially on such a large group of people.
As far as age gaps go, I play the odds and the odds are that large age gaps don’t work – and yes, you can find people that do make it work – but ODDS ARE that it won’t and https://www.doclove.com/system tries to give you your best chance from the jump.
It’s like if you had 2 slot machines side by side. If I told you the machine on the left pays out twice as often as the machine on the right, would you stubbornly say “I can win with the machine on the right” and maybe you will – but your ODDS WERE MUCH WORSE on that machine.
However, you completely lost me when you decided that if you’re a woman over 35 then they are no good to date – and that is ridiculous. Oh, PS, women after 35 do happen to have children as well – women in their 40s or even older are having children so the fertility argument you pose is not correct either.
You know what the odds are of being the sperm to fertilize the egg so you will be born into this world? This is from my science class, 1 in 400 trillion. Congratulations for beating the odds!!! So much for the “odds”, the thing is statistics are meaningful but not determinative. You guys do seem to suffer from tunnel vision when it comes to your “odds”. But okay, you want to help out guys and your odds, fine. I’m not gonna argue any further. I’m on Bumble and there are a lot of women in their late 30s to early 40s who look like in their 20s, but the shortage of men in my city, there’s also a lot of gay dudes lol, and also that these women are extremely picky and flaky means that dating sucks overall.
Jasper, I think we have established by now that you disagree with me, ha, and that is okay by me – all I can do is put out my take on things as I see them but ultimately it’s up to you whether to follow my coaching or not.